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Još jednom, dobro došli! SpeedyGonsales 02:41, 6. rujna 2009. (CEST)

Re: GFDL

Hi! I translated your message and posted it here. I invited the community to discuss your suggestions, but I have no reason to think they won't be accepted. Best regards! --Neptune, the Mystic 22:18, 28. svibnja 2021. (CEST)

Thank you very much! --MGA73 (razgovor) 10:24, 29. svibnja 2021. (CEST)

Hello again! Sorry for a belated answer, I'm currently on a Wikivacation, so I'm not as active as I usually tend to be. Anyways, regarding your request, since not an awful lot of people responded to it initially, I decided to remind the community of your first proposal and now there are seven votes in favour. If you're willing to wait until the beginning of July, I'll gladly update all licenses for you (as I also have a bot account). If you're in hurry, you can also contact another sysop, as I'd hate to keep you on your toes if you want this affair to be sorted out a bit quicker. --Neptune, the Mystic 20:52, 20. lipnja 2021. (CEST)

@Neptune, the Mystic Thanks a million! Yes I can wait. I have a few million other files to work on at m:User:MGA73/Media per wiki. ;-) Enjoy your Wikivacation. --MGA73 (razgovor) 20:58, 20. lipnja 2021. (CEST)

Hey there! I'm back from my Wikivacation – sort of – and I'd ask you for some guidance. Now, as far as I've understood, you've said that the CC0 license can take the place of JD-ja (PD-self) license under files. I recently translated the said license into Croatian. So, am I at liberty to fix those files by using a bot or should we tackle this problem a bit differently?

Also, you've said that GFDL is a bad license and that it warrants removal. What should we do about it? Is there an alternative we can use?

Kind regards, --Neptune, the Mystic 20:36, 8. srpnja 2021. (CEST)

@Neptune, the Mystic Just to make sure we talk about the same. My suggestion is to change the licenses users can choose when they upload new files. We can rename license templates but generally we can't change license on files allready uploaded. We can ofcourse ask the uploader "Hey could you change the license please?". The only license change we can do is the license migration for GFDL files uploaded before August 2009. --MGA73 (razgovor) 20:56, 8. srpnja 2021. (CEST)

Ah, okay then, it seems like I got some stuff mixed up, so I'm glad I asked you again just to be sure... Sorry if I'm asking about obvious things, I think there are several users on this project who are better versed in copyright than yours truly, so I tend to be overly pedantic So, long story short, we should update the list of available licenses (aka place CC0 on it and remove GFDL and JD-ja from it)? If that's so, that's okay, but I seem to recall you saying something about using bots on the project and license updates... Would you be kind enough to remind me what that was about? Should we add certain templates to files bearing the said licenses or something else? Again, sorry for the hassle... --Neptune, the Mystic 14:13, 9. srpnja 2021. (CEST)

@Neptune, the Mystic I have several things I suggest to change. Some have to be changed manually and some things with a bot. It may be a good idea to make a plan before you do the changes in case you want to do some of the changes with one bot edit. I will make a list of the suggested changes below but if you prefer an other place just let me know:

1. The disclaimers in GFDL is not good. Sadly we can't just remove them. Only copyright holder can per: en:Wikipedia:GFDL standardization
   1. {{GFDL}} should be renamed to {{GFDL-with-disclaimers}}
   2. {{GFDL-ja}} should be renamed to {{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers}}
   3. All files that uses these templates should be updated to use the new template names
   4. New templates without disclaimers should be created as {{GFDL}} and {{GFDL-self}}
   5. Users that uploaded the files should be asked if they would be willing to remove the disclaimers. They do that by changing {{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers}} to {{GFDL-self}} for example or if they uploaded many files they can try to sweet talk you do do it with your bot.
2. Files uploaded with GFDL as the only license should be upgraded if possible
   1. Make an edit like Special:Diff/5902969 to {{GFDL}} and (and other templates mentioned above)
   2. Users that uploaded the files should be asked if they would be willing to relicense. They do that by changing {{GFDL-self}} to {{GFDL-self}}{{cc-by-sa-4.0}} or if they uploaded many files they can try to sweet talk you do do it with your bot.
   3. If users are no longer active (blocked for example) you can change the template depending on the upload date.
3. {{JD-ja}} is as mentioned not a formal license. If you want you could ask uploaders if they would be happy with {{CC0}}. Again they could do it or sweet talk you and your bot.
4. MediaWiki:Licenses etc. should be updated
   1. See suggestions on MediaWiki_razgovor:Licenses#Update of licenses.
   2. You might want to create {{self}} to match en:Template:Self to use on files that is own work.
5. All files need a valid license:
   1. Create and add {{Free media}} or {{Non-free media}} to all license templates like on English Wikipedia and create the matching en:Category:All free media and en:Category:All non-free media. Then it is easy to make a list of all files without a license.
   2. Make a list of all files without a license. First estimate: most of the 717 files. But it is easy to make a better list on https://quarry.wmflabs.org/ once all licenses are fixed.
   3. Mark all files with a releant "no license" template?
   4. Inform all uploaders
   5. Delete the files if no license is added
6. All free files should have {{Infoslika}}.
   1. If the template is missing add it
   2. If source and/or author is missing then the file should be checked. So if the template does not add files in a category the template should perhaps be modified to do that.
   3. Inform all uploaders of files with no source and/or author
   4. Delete them if source and/or author is not added and it is not possible to add it.
7. Move good files to Commons

Some of the changes could be done with one edit. For example if uploader is blocked then the rename of the template and adding of the relevant license migration code could be done with one edit. If you want you can also do the edits one by one to make it more transparent what is being changed. --MGA73 (razgovor) 17:16, 9. srpnja 2021. (CEST)

@Neptune, the Mystic Ooo you are busy :-) I noticed that Posebno:Datoteke/Andrija1234567 is blocked and all uploads are made after 2009 so they should all have "|migration=not-eligible". That should fix a lot of the license migration candidates. --MGA73 (razgovor) 20:50, 9. srpnja 2021. (CEST)

Well... Looks like you've seen what I was doing So I presume the main part of the task is finished now. I've also tagged most of that user's files with "not-eligible" (I think my bot didn't do it for about 15 of them, I don't know why, I'll look into it later). Anyways, if you have any other requests, be sure to tag me and I'll try my best to tie up some loose ends --Neptune, the Mystic 23:34, 9. srpnja 2021. (CEST)

@Neptune, the Mystic Busted! Yes I was peeping a bit. :-)

And yes I agree that the most important part of 1-4 is done. Great! I added a link at the top of Kategorija:Wikipedia license migration candidates to make it easy to see who uploaded the files. Perhaps you could help translate the text? Maybe also leave a message at Wikipedija:Kafić asking users if they would go check own uploads.

About task 5 the edits I suggest are something like ro:Special:Diff/14212044. The idea is that if all free files are in one category and non-free files are in another category then the files that is in none of the two categories must be missing a license. That way we can make reports like https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/49558 to find unlicensed files. (Or files where the license template is not clearly free or non-free.)

About task 7 I modified FileImporter configuration so it should now work with the new templates too. --MGA73 (razgovor) 09:54, 10. srpnja 2021. (CEST)

I just checked. Andrija1234567 have no uploads on the list of license migration candidates. So the 15 files probably have another license than GFDL. I noticed Posebno:Datoteke/Bijeli_grab is also blocked and uploaded after 2009 so they are also not eligible. But files like Datoteka:Automobilske marke.JPG are only free if the stamps are also free. Same with the paintings. --MGA73 (razgovor) 10:05, 10. srpnja 2021. (CEST)

@Neptune, the Mystic As mentioned abobe Posebno:Datoteke/Bijeli_grab can be changed to "|migration=not-eligible". I checked the next few uploaders and it seem that there are no more users with many uploads that are easy to fix.

That leaves us with a few choises 1) Send a message to all uploaders, 2) Add a text on Razgovor o kategoriji:Wikipedia license migration candidates and ping the uploaders, 3) Make a notice on Wikipedija:Kafić or 4) Don't try to have uploaders relicense and just mark files as eligible or not-eligible depending on upload date. If some sort of message is made I suggest to include the question about removing disclaimers. Any other ideas? --MGA73 (razgovor) 12:28, 11. srpnja 2021. (CEST)

Coats of arms and things of that sort

Now, since you and my colleague are getting along quite well on my talk page, I'll snatch this opportunity to ask you something on your own We have a bit of a conundrum related to various Croatian flags and coats of arms. A bureaucrat from sr.wiki told me that we should place this license under such files in order to help transfer them to Commons. However, there is a slight problem. All those files have this license instead and we're unsure whether they can be transferred to Commons altogether because we don't know if flag recreations by certain individuals belong there. If they do, there's yet another problem. Should we keep both licenses under those files or should we replace the existing ones with the PD-Croatia-exempt one? I'll link you several such files: Datoteka:Belišće (grb).gif, Datoteka:Buje (grb).gif, Datoteka:Nuštar (grb).gif. Any ideas? --Neptune, the Mystic 19:51, 10. srpnja 2021. (CEST)

@Neptune, the Mystic lol yes we occupy your talk page.

I think there was a similar problem on Commons with files from Italy years ago. The problem that there is a copyright for the design of the COA and a copyright from the drawing of the COA. Just like the copyright of the pyramids are expired but if someone make a drawing of them it then they would have the copyright for the drawing. So I think the result on Commons was that files taken from a website was copyrighted. But if a user from Wikipedia or Commons made a new drawing then that would be okay.

In this case there is a permission from the creator. I think you need to preserve the permission on the files also after transfer to Commons. But I'm not sure the permission would be accepted on Commons. The problem is that it mention "used on Wikipedia". All files on Commons should be usable outside Wikipedia too. I found a few deletion request about his work c:Commons:Deletion requests/Some coats of arms, claimed to be licensed by Željko Heimer so to be safe we need someone to send him a mail and ask for a better permission. --MGA73 (razgovor) 20:30, 10. srpnja 2021. (CEST)

Use of GDFL

Hi! I wasn't aware of that. A year 2009 was a long time ago. I don't why Wikmedia has the option to put GDFL license if that one is banned. I have to be honest and say I don't know the differnces between licence and consequences of using a "wrongˇone. I am willing to help, but since I am at a moment short of time and don't know how to track my photos, it would take some time to make modifications, but I'll do what I can. Best regards. Walter9 (razgovor) 16:57, 11. veljače 2022. (CET)

Thank you very much Walter9. I wrote a tip on Razgovor_sa_suradnikom:Walter9#Use_of_GFDL. —MGA73 (razgovor) 17:22, 11. veljače 2022. (CET)

GFDL

Pozdrav! Molim pojašnjenje vezano uz GFDL licencu. Zbog čega nije dobra za medijske datoteke? Walter9 (razgovor) 16:43, 15. listopada 2024. (CEST)

U redu. Hvala. Pogledat ću što se može učiniti. Lp Walter9 (razgovor) 16:54, 15. listopada 2024. (CEST)

Slike

Dosta godina nisam to radio, izgleda da sam tu nešto zaj***, de vidi malo ovdje —Zeljko (razgovor) 05:06, 16. listopada 2024. (CEST)

Hvala Zeljko. Dobro izgleda! —MGA73 (razgovor) 07:17, 16. listopada 2024. (CEST)