Razgovor:Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine 1973./74.

Članak "Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine 1973./74." napisan je ili značajno poboljšan u okviru međunarodnog projekta CEE proljeće 2020. Na njemu je radio Suradnik:Cybermb. Tema članka je Šport u Bosni i Hercegovini.

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@Croxyz For this page I found two different tables: one was already in hr.wiki, the other one is from Vremeplov 4: Ligaška takmičenja od 1945-1992. godine

 from hr.ki (and now in use):
 1. Jedinstvo Bihać       38 22  9  7 70 23 +47 53 
 2. Sloga Doboj           38 20 10  8 57 30 +27 50
 3. Borac Travnik         38 20  9  9 50 33 +17 49
 4. Jedinstvo Brčko       38 19  9 10 62 39 +23 47
 5. Elektrobosna Jajce    38 19  9 10 53 30 +23 47
 6. Rudar Kakanj          38 16 11 11 57 37 +20 43
 7. UNIS Vogošća          38 16 11 11 46 29 +17 43
 8. Radnik Hadžići        38 14 10 14 56 58  −2 38
 9. Jedinstvo Odžak       37 15  8 14 42 39  +3 38
10. Borac Čapljina        38 14 10 14 43 50  −7 38
11. Rudar Ljubija         38 12 13 13 47 44  +3 37
12. Pofalićki Sarajevo    38 12 13 13 40 43  −3 37
13. Bosna Visoko          38 13  9 16 46 53  −7 35
14. Radnik Bijeljina      38 12 11 15 41 49  −8 35
15. Bosna Sarajevo        38 12 10 16 52 42 +10 35
16. Iskra Stolac          38  9 13 16 42 62 −20 31 
17. Sloboda Bosanski Novi 38 10  9 19 32 54 −22 31
18. OFK Prijedor          37  9  9 19 39 69 −30 27
19. Troglav Livno         38  8  8 22 36 82 −46 24
20. Mladost Lištica       38  4 15 19 20 56 −36 23

 from Vremeplov 4: Ligaška takmičenja od 1945-1992. godine:
 1. Jedinstvo Bihać       38 22  9  7 70 34 +36 53
 2. Sloga Doboj           38 20 10  8 57 29 +18 50
 3. Borac Travnik         38 20  9  9 50 33 +17 49
 4. Jedinstvo Brčko       38 19 10  9 52 39 +13 48
 5. Elektrobosna Jajce    38 19  9 10 47 30 +17 47
 6. Rudar Kakanj          38 16 11 11 57 37 +20 43
 7. UNIS Vogošća          38 16 11 11 44:31 +13 43
 8. Radnik Hadžići        38 14 10 14 56 58  -2 38
 9. Rudar Ljubija         38 12 13 13 47 44  +3 37
10. Borac Čapljina        38 14 10 14 43 46  -3 37 (-1)
11. Pofalički Sarajevo    38 12 13 13 40 43  -3 37
12. Jedinstvo Odžak       38 14  8 14 36 39  -3 36
13. Bosna Visoko          38 13  9 16 47 48  -1 35
14. Radnik Bijeljina      38 12 11 15 42 49  -7 35
15. Bosna Sarajevo        38 12 10 16 49 41  +8 34
16. Iskra Stolac          38  9 13 16 42 61 -19 31
17. Sloboda Bosanski Novi 38 10  9 19 32 59 -27 27
18. Troglav Livno         38  8  8 22 36 72 -36 24
19. Mladost Lištica       38  5 14 19 21 62 -41 24
20. OFK Prijedor          38  6  7 25 35 69 -34 19

which one we have to take? Ame71 (razgovor). 11:40, 19. prosinca 2024. (CET)

@Ame71, we actually had this problem not a long time ago. @Cybermb wrote the following on his talk page:

»5. Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine 1973./74.

iz knjige Dario Hamzić: Omladinski fudbalski klub "Prijedor" : 1919. – 1992., Rijeka, 2012., ISBN 978-953-57279-0-3, str. 163-172

stoji za Mladost Lištica - 20. mjesto / 38 / 4 / 15 / 19 / 20:56 / 23

ista ljestvica je objavljena u Sportskim nosvostima za 17. 06. 1974. (vidljivo jer je isječak iz članka - fotografiran ili skeniran)

u toj ljestvici Jedinstvo Odžak i OFK Prijedor imaju 37 utakmica

knjiga Dario Hamzić: Fudbalski klub "Rudar" Ljubija : 1928. – 1992., Rijeka, 2014., ISBN 978-953-57279-0-3, str. 108-114

ista ljestvica, i navedene Sportske novosti kao izvor

knjiga Rajko Petrović, Sonja Petrović: Fudbalski klub "Radnik" Bijeljina : (1919-2003) , Bijeljina, 2010., str. 204-209

Mladost Lištica - 19. mjesto / 37 / 5 / 14 / 19 / 20:55 / 24

u ljestvici sa 37 utakmica navedeni: Sloboda Bosanski Novi, Radnik Bijeljina, Prijedor, Mladost Lištica, Troglav Livno

knjiga Milan Ždrale: FK "Jedinstvo"-Brčko (1919 - 1989), Brčko, 1989., str. 74-75

iz ljestvice izostavljen OFK Prijedor - prikazano 19 klubova

po toj Mladost Lištica - 18. mjesto / 38 / 5 / 14 / 19 / 21:62 / 24

sa 37 utakmica: Sloga Bosanski Novi «

Then we also have page 24 of NK Široki Brijeg's book which states:

»Na kraju je Mladost završila na 19. mjestu s 24 osvojena boda. Mladost je ostvarila samo 5 pobjeda, 14 puta utakmicu je odigrala bez pobjednika, a 18 susreta je izgubila. Igrači s Pecare postigli su 28, a primili 48 pogodaka«

or in simplified terms: 19. mjesto / 38 (5 + 14 + 18 = 37!, not 38) / 5 / 14 / 18 / 28 / 48 / 24

As you can see, multiple tables exist for this season. The two books by Dario Hamzić reference a Sportske novosti issue from June 17th 1974. The table from that issue is photographed/scanned and a part of that book.

Just so you know, you'll encounter several disputed tables for Republička liga BiH. See Razgovor sa suradnikom:Cybermb#Lista pitanja #2 – Croxyz ^💬 12:28, 19. prosinca 2024. (CET)

@Cybermb, the current table has a goal-difference of 931:922. Looks like Sportske novosti's table is incorrect. – Croxyz ^💬 12:35, 19. prosinca 2024. (CET)

@Ame71, on that Ligaški vremeplov link I found a different table:

1 Jedinstvo, Bihać 38 22 9 7 70:34 +36 53
2 Sloga, Doboj 38 20 10 8 57:29 +18 50
3 Borac, Travnik 38 20 9 9 50:33 +17 49
4 Jedinstvo, Brčko 38 19 10 9 52:39 +13 48
5 Elektrobosna, Jajce 38 19 9 10 47:30 +17 47
6 Rudar, Kakanj 38 16 11 11 57:37 +20 43
7 UNIS, Vogošća 38 16 11 11 44:31 +13 43
8 Radnik, Hadžići 38 14 10 14 56:58 -2 38
9 Rudar, Ljubija 38 12 13 13 47:44 +3 37
10 Pofalički, Sarajevo 38 12 13 13 40:43 -3 37
11 Borac, Čapljina (-1) 38 14 10 14 43:46 -3 37
12 Jedinstvo, Odžak 38 14 8 14 36:39 -3 36
13 Bosna, Visoko 38 13 9 16 47:48 -1 35
14 Radnik, Bijeljina 38 12 11 15 42:49 -7 35
15 Bosna, Sarajevo 38 12 10 16 49:41 +8 34
16 Iskra, Stolac 38 9 13 16 42:61 -19 31
17 Sloboda, Bosanski Novi 38 10 9 19 32:59 -27 27
18 Mladost, Lištica 38 5 14 19 21:62 -41 24
19 Troglav, Livno 38 8 8 22 36:72 -36 24
20 OFK Prijedor 38 6 7 25 35:69 -34 19

Both are incorrect 903:924 is the total goal-difference. – Croxyz ^💬 12:45, 19. prosinca 2024. (CET)

@Ame71, I tried searching online and in Borba. Found nothing. Borba mostly covered the 1974 World Cup. I highly doubt we'll ever get online digitalised newspapers from Bosnia and Herzegovina due to its political situation. Most of the digitalised papers from former Yugoslavia are hosted online by libraries. As you may know, we have 0 of these in Bosnia and Herzegovina (see Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori). If I recall correctly, they only have digitalised 19th century newspapers from Sarajevo. Earlier this year Bosnia and Herzegovina's national library ceased operations due to a lack of funding. The following might soon happen to other institutions, such as the national TV which is also in financial troubles. The country probably has the most complex political system in the world, and all sides most agree on something in order to be implemented (in this case funding the national library and TV). – Croxyz ^💬 13:19, 19. prosinca 2024. (CET)

In other words, almost nothing can be found online about Bosnia and Herzegovina football from this period, The only things we have besides Ligaški vremeplov are websites dedicated to Kozara (possibly plagued with errors), Omarska (Wikipedia has 0 tables for these seasons), Sarajevo, Sloboda Tuzla (mostly focuses on the 90s and onwards), Široki Brijeg (full of errors regarding tables and participating clubs), Željezničar. There used to be an online book about NK Vitez which @Cybermb used for a number of articles. This book sadly doesn't exist online anymore and it can't be viewed on Internet Archive. – Croxyz ^💬 13:28, 19. prosinca 2024. (CET)